Podcast Only (no broadcast because of the holiday.) Mark Updegrove, author of "Second Acts: Presidential Lives and Legacies after the White House."
Listen to the podcast here:
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https://open.spotify.com/show/5f19ZOrL8hLAOZmFlxTUAi